Comments on: New Blog. Kinda. http://blog.adeishs.com/2010/02/new-blog-kinda.html Musical Blog Mon, 23 Aug 2010 04:52:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Kamal http://blog.adeishs.com/2010/02/new-blog-kinda.html#comment-34 Kamal Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:49:55 +0000 http://blog.adeishs.com/?p=35#comment-34 @Ade: Hehehe, nice work. @Ade: Hehehe, nice work.

]]> By: ade ishs http://blog.adeishs.com/2010/02/new-blog-kinda.html#comment-33 ade ishs Sun, 07 Feb 2010 10:57:33 +0000 http://blog.adeishs.com/?p=35#comment-33 @kamal: also the blogger-format archive links. i literally tried every link during the migration to make sure all links would be preserved (if possible). i resorted to apache mod_rewrite to sort out this thing. @kamal: also the blogger-format archive links. i literally tried every link during the migration to make sure all links would be preserved (if possible).

i resorted to apache mod_rewrite to sort out this thing.

]]> By: Kamal http://blog.adeishs.com/2010/02/new-blog-kinda.html#comment-32 Kamal Sun, 07 Feb 2010 10:51:07 +0000 http://blog.adeishs.com/?p=35#comment-32 Agreed - more so from a search engine viewpoint too, you care about your website's links. Thanks for indulging in the mess of a discussion nevertheless :P. Still I was impressed that the switch managed to maintain the feed URL too. Agreed – more so from a search engine viewpoint too, you care about your website’s links. Thanks for indulging in the mess of a discussion nevertheless :P. Still I was impressed that the switch managed to maintain the feed URL too.

]]> By: ade ishs http://blog.adeishs.com/2010/02/new-blog-kinda.html#comment-31 ade ishs Sun, 07 Feb 2010 10:03:00 +0000 http://blog.adeishs.com/?p=35#comment-31 @kamal: no, you aren't, afaik. maintaining a guid when switching to different apps is impractical. besides, mere mortals care more that existing links don't break. in this particular experience of mine switching to a different blogging app, maintaining the look and feel, permalinks, efficiency, etc. is a lot of work already. well, this whole thing is a mess. hee hee... @kamal: no, you aren’t, afaik. maintaining a guid when switching to different apps is impractical. besides, mere mortals care more that existing links don’t break. in this particular experience of mine switching to a different blogging app, maintaining the look and feel, permalinks, efficiency, etc. is a lot of work already. well, this whole thing is a mess. hee hee…

]]> By: Kamal http://blog.adeishs.com/2010/02/new-blog-kinda.html#comment-30 Kamal Sun, 07 Feb 2010 04:28:10 +0000 http://blog.adeishs.com/?p=35#comment-30 I'm aware of the link differences thanks :P, My point was more that, firstly based on reading the description for 'alternate' in the W3C docs: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#h-6.12 Alternate Designates substitute versions for the document in which the link occurs. When used together with the lang attribute, it implies a translated version of the document. When used together with the media attribute, it implies a version designed for a different medium (or media). Versus no attribute in the RSS case; neither implies anything permanent or definitive about the document, it's just a link to an alternative representation of that XML entry. Whereas, IMV, in theory anyway, an id/guid speaks about the uniqueness of the document within a particular scope. Since the feed or channel - i.e. the scope - (more practically here, URL) has not changed, but a new id is received, it can only assume a new entry in that feed. I understand that the 'link' tag in this case is specifically from the RSS and Atom schemas/DTDs, rather than HTML, but reading both at: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/rss/rss.html http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#element.link seems to imply similar semantics to the link tag from HTML, i.e. just a link, not an identifier :P. Still I see your point, if they kept a cache of links, then yes they refer to the same alternative representation of the XML document. But then, from a feed reader's view - it's about the feed which it can interpret/reformat as it wants, the alternative representation is just metadata for someone who wishes a different view of the feed. Am I missing something completely obvious? I’m aware of the link differences thanks :P, My point was more that, firstly based on reading the description for ‘alternate’ in the W3C docs:

http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#h-6.12
Alternate
Designates substitute versions for the document in which the link occurs. When used together with the lang attribute, it implies a translated version of the document. When used together with the media attribute, it implies a version designed for a different medium (or media).

Versus no attribute in the RSS case; neither implies anything permanent or definitive about the document, it’s just a link to an alternative representation of that XML entry.

Whereas, IMV, in theory anyway, an id/guid speaks about the uniqueness of the document within a particular scope. Since the feed or channel – i.e. the scope – (more practically here, URL) has not changed, but a new id is received, it can only assume a new entry in that feed.

I understand that the ‘link’ tag in this case is specifically from the RSS and Atom schemas/DTDs, rather than HTML, but reading both at:

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/rss/rss.html
http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#element.link

seems to imply similar semantics to the link tag from HTML, i.e. just a link, not an identifier :P.

Still I see your point, if they kept a cache of links, then yes they refer to the same alternative representation of the XML document. But then, from a feed reader’s view – it’s about the feed which it can interpret/reformat as it wants, the alternative representation is just metadata for someone who wishes a different view of the feed.

Am I missing something completely obvious?

]]> By: ade ishs http://blog.adeishs.com/2010/02/new-blog-kinda.html#comment-25 ade ishs Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:56:13 +0000 http://blog.adeishs.com/?p=35#comment-25 @kamal: ?? the rss has <code><link></code>, and the atom has <code><link></code> with the <code>rel</code> value of <code>alternate</code>. both of them are the permalinks. you know what, this whole thing is a mess. <code>:-p</code> @kamal: ?? the rss has <link>, and the atom has <link> with the rel value of alternate. both of them are the permalinks. you know what, this whole thing is a mess. :-p

]]> By: Kamal http://blog.adeishs.com/2010/02/new-blog-kinda.html#comment-23 Kamal Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:51:21 +0000 http://blog.adeishs.com/?p=35#comment-23 Grr - comment filtering, I was referring to the differences between the Atom and RSS 'link' tags. Grr – comment filtering, I was referring to the differences between the Atom and RSS ‘link’ tags.

]]> By: Kamal http://blog.adeishs.com/2010/02/new-blog-kinda.html#comment-22 Kamal Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:49:28 +0000 http://blog.adeishs.com/?p=35#comment-22 @Ade: Ah, that's probably what's happened. Kinda sounds logical though. :P The RSS version has ..., the Atom one has ... - neither seems to qualify as a 'permalink'. I knew your feeds do not contain duplicates btw, was just wondering why I got repeated posts. No biggie, was just curious. :) @Ade: Ah, that’s probably what’s happened. Kinda sounds logical though. :P The RSS version has …, the Atom one has … – neither seems to qualify as a ‘permalink’. I knew your feeds do not contain duplicates btw, was just wondering why I got repeated posts. No biggie, was just curious. :)

]]> By: ade ishs http://blog.adeishs.com/2010/02/new-blog-kinda.html#comment-20 ade ishs Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:44:03 +0000 http://blog.adeishs.com/?p=35#comment-20 @kamal: sorry, i can't follow you. how exactly did you get the repeated posts? i just rechecked both my atom and rss feeds, and i didn't see any duplicates. perhaps your feedreader uses the <code><id></code> tags and ignores the permalinks entirely? the internal ids of the posts pre- and post-migration are (obviously) different. this may explain why you only one copy for this post, as it was written post-migration. @kamal: sorry, i can’t follow you. how exactly did you get the repeated posts? i just rechecked both my atom and rss feeds, and i didn’t see any duplicates. perhaps your feedreader uses the <id> tags and ignores the permalinks entirely? the internal ids of the posts pre- and post-migration are (obviously) different. this may explain why you only one copy for this post, as it was written post-migration.

]]> By: Kamal http://blog.adeishs.com/2010/02/new-blog-kinda.html#comment-19 Kamal Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:31:04 +0000 http://blog.adeishs.com/?p=35#comment-19 Interesting, I seem to have a repeated feed of posts since "Keyboard Hunting Continued" (as in there are 'new' versions of these in feedreader). Which corresponds to both: http://blog.adeishs.com/feed/atom and http://blog.adeishs.com/feed Not the latest entry of this particular post, just one copy for this. Was this 're-feeding' deliberate as some sort of context or test? Interesting, I seem to have a repeated feed of posts since “Keyboard Hunting Continued” (as in there are ‘new’ versions of these in feedreader). Which corresponds to both:

http://blog.adeishs.com/feed/atom

and

http://blog.adeishs.com/feed

Not the latest entry of this particular post, just one copy for this. Was this ‘re-feeding’ deliberate as some sort of context or test?

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